tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post2226684191380732015..comments2023-04-15T10:40:46.482+01:00Comments on From The Fang: Battle Brothers Tournament (40K Doubles) Report - OverallFrom The Fanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-2321756323966661872013-01-29T22:25:48.362+00:002013-01-29T22:25:48.362+00:00Sucks on the rulings, but given GW's general a...Sucks on the rulings, but given GW's general approach (sell models first, dice off to glaze over lazy rules writing or having to train judges second), I'm sadly not too surprised.<br /><br />Not sure how I'd deal with opponents making the rules up on the spot any differently than you did. Pointing out the page should help, but some people just don't want to listen.<br /><br />Personally, I think for a pure competitive tournament a winner should be Best General only, with separate prizes for Best Army and Best Sports (both still important), but there is clearly scope for all kinds of events on the circuit!Sentinelhttp://totalimmersionwargaming.blogspot.co.uk/?m=0noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-49135327511546548082013-01-29T14:12:54.002+00:002013-01-29T14:12:54.002+00:00You've got me there ,:/You've got me there ,:/Andy - bGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15248283508785967847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-34565164266246644472013-01-28T22:39:18.100+00:002013-01-28T22:39:18.100+00:00They do have an award for most fave game votes whi...They do have an award for most fave game votes which is what's so frustrating! Why do they need to still include them in the overall scores if they're giving an award for them anyway?From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-87722384129244921802013-01-28T21:15:25.400+00:002013-01-28T21:15:25.400+00:00Not nearly as well. We had barely any flier defenc...Not nearly as well. We had barely any flier defence, Heldrakes would have wrecked our shit. Basically we got 2 pretty easy games, 2 average and one fairly tough. I think we'd put in more thought than any of the guys we played, and it did show.<br />We fought Eldar/Dark Eldar, Tau/Space Wolves, Orks/Dark Eldar, Dark Eldar, Orks/Tau.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03883737418451745850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-67609028165105778562013-01-28T21:02:49.633+00:002013-01-28T21:02:49.633+00:00No, I know I am only yanking your chain I know how...No, I know I am only yanking your chain I know how infuriating people completely making stuff up can be. I played the genesis games on the Saturday and a 12 year old scamp completely manipulated force dome and I knew no better he decided it gave everything within 12" an invulnerable save, I didn't dispute the save saved his vindicator which then obliterated everything I had, afterwards I was fuming!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18292935160601276264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-49283440622341256792013-01-28T20:42:46.779+00:002013-01-28T20:42:46.779+00:00Would it not solve a few things if they simply had...Would it not solve a few things if they simply had two different "winners" awards. One for most gaming points and the other for gaming plus favourite game votes.<br /><br />Thoughts?kongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-37449434185308492132013-01-28T20:39:50.168+00:002013-01-28T20:39:50.168+00:00It is indeed on the WHW Facebook page now (-:
I d...It is indeed on the WHW Facebook page now (-:<br /><br />I don't mind the random draw too much. If the Doubles goes in the direction of the singles events it will work really well as the singles events are very much focused on just having some fun which I think is what they are trying to achieve with the doubles. Hopefully they will get there <br /><br />One thing I think they will have to change in the number of teams. Just too many people.<br /><br />kongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-54613351444413170042013-01-28T19:08:44.603+00:002013-01-28T19:08:44.603+00:00@Brian it's not a case of remembering it's...@Brian it's not a case of remembering it's only a game. If you play opponents who don't know the rules should you just let them do stuff that's illegal? I'm all for letting people do stuff they forgot or even reminding them of it but when they're doing something totally wrong that's going to hurt my army badly should I just ignore it?<br /><br />We have plenty of banter with the people we play. Even the guys we argued with were a great laugh afterwards. The problem with favourite game votes is that a) most people forget to do them (or have already left), b) you can vote for your mates, c) you sometimes just get mismatched and no matter how friendly you are they aren't going to enjoy it!<br /><br />The biggest issue of all though is that they factor something random, which you have little or no control over, into the scores.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-77859443177102798002013-01-28T19:03:18.900+00:002013-01-28T19:03:18.900+00:00I've got the list in front of me but it's ...I've got the list in front of me but it's too tiny to scan in and I'm not gonna type it out. They usually put it on the WHW facebook but if you tell me your team name I can tell you where you finished.<br /><br />The response from the events team about rules queries was that you should roll for it if you can't agree on a mutually acceptable solution. So basically, if I suggest my grey hunters are actually all flying monstrous creatures and you disagree, on a 4+ I get it anyway! Did I mention my thunderwolves are actually flyers? <br /><br />To be honest there's a lot of luck in tournaments anyway so the random draw thing just increased it. You can still be lucky with what you face even with Swiss pairs. One or two points either way can mean you play an army that you can easily beat rather than the one on the next table that would've hammered you.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-54519562405948024142013-01-28T19:00:00.508+00:002013-01-28T19:00:00.508+00:00You actually placed first in terms of VPs scored w...You actually placed first in terms of VPs scored when you take away the fave game votes. Out of interest do you think that you'd have performed as well if it had been Swiss pairs. Not trying to take anything away from your guys, just curious.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-83160158246817875182013-01-28T18:58:48.179+00:002013-01-28T18:58:48.179+00:00To be fair Andy. If they spent a decent amount of ...To be fair Andy. If they spent a decent amount of time in the writing and playtesting of their rules they wouldn't need ANY referees! From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-32377657540457042642013-01-28T18:56:59.901+00:002013-01-28T18:56:59.901+00:00I think the random opponents thing is great if it ...I think the random opponents thing is great if it means you avoid power lists but essentially means the scoring is totally irrelevant. <br /><br />Favourite game votes are all well and good as long as they don't add them into the scores but I can't see them backtracking on this any time soon.<br /><br />You rightly say that the VPs favour some armies more than others but only really in half of the missions i.e. purge, scouring and big guns. <br /><br />It's still an enjoyable weekend you just have to think of it as an excuse to play 5 pairs of people you wouldn't normally and forget that it's a tournament!From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-15534517945094678662013-01-28T18:25:24.046+00:002013-01-28T18:25:24.046+00:00Wow that's a lot of models for 1500 points. At...Wow that's a lot of models for 1500 points. At the doubles weekend me and my pal attended we tabled a nids army and an eldar army but got favourite game votes from both, I don't think most people are too bothered about losing even if it is badly, disputes over rules are where the issues start, just got to remember it is only a game. Me at my game partner spent most of the games tacking the mick out of each other and our combined army! I took great joy watching his seraphim s deep strike mishapping even though that meant my wolves that had drop podded in earlier were doomedAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18292935160601276264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-44876283922271125372013-01-28T16:01:00.563+00:002013-01-28T16:01:00.563+00:00Space wolves with space marines allies
Rune pries...Space wolves with space marines allies<br /><br />Rune priest, runic armour, jaws, lightning<br />8 wolf guard, 4 combi melta, 2 terminator combi melta power axe, 1 combi plasma terminator power axe, 1 heavy flamer terminator power axe, drop pod<br />10 grunters, 2 plasma, banner<br />7 grunters, flamer, banner, drop pod<br />7 grunters, melta, banner, drop pod<br />5 long fangs, 4 launchers<br />5 long fangs, 4 launchers<br /><br />Librarian, gate, null zone, combi plasma<br />7 scouts, snipers, cloaks, heavy bolter, telion<br /><br />Defence line, quad gun<br /><br />We ran into a single flier- a razorwing jetfighter. Random draws really helped us, as did not playing the scouring. It was lucky, but it's a game of dice haha!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03883737418451745850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-73342374427362316892013-01-28T15:22:34.837+00:002013-01-28T15:22:34.837+00:00Does anyone have the results that they can post up...Does anyone have the results that they can post up as we had to leave before the results ceremony.<br /><br />Cool Club: Crazy 88, what were you guys playing? <br /><br />It was a fun weekend but the 40K doubles still seems to have a lot of idiots attending. In all 5 games we played we had rules issues, to the point where even showing the opponent the rule in the rulebook still didn't convince them that they were wrong. I suspect we got zero favourite game votes and do think the current system is flawed as you know that as soon as you have a rules issue in a game, you can kiss the favourite game vote goodbye. So basically your opponent does something incorrectly during the game and you get penalised for pointing it out<br /><br />Also the tallying up victory points is a great idea, but the kill point mission becomes a random draw. We managed 15 victory points from it but if someone had tabled our army and got all 3 bonus points they would have had a maximum of 10.... a huge differencekongnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-50215539283991380932013-01-28T11:53:39.100+00:002013-01-28T11:53:39.100+00:00I'm one of the guys from Cool Club: Crazy 88! ...I'm one of the guys from Cool Club: Crazy 88! We eventually placed 2nd overall, which considering we picked up 63pts (max from every mission) is a tad annoying, but we're not too bothered as the random draw made it less competitive; we played no necrons, or guard, or chaos, or gk! Still, it was a fun weekend!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03883737418451745850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-33825923675674761212013-01-28T11:37:33.366+00:002013-01-28T11:37:33.366+00:00Goog to know that GW takes the time to recruit jud...Goog to know that GW takes the time to recruit judges that know the rules, I mean, they only write them, how difficult could it be. Very obvious that from the diagram that the field of fire is 45degrees, and that it is only made possible because the weapon can swivel that 45deg, not that there is a 45deg arc from the front of the weapon, that can also swivel 45deg.<br /><br />Tim, can't believe they actually let that go, sure the kids might have made a mistake, but at least don't allow them to use the illegal wargear, I'd be pretty pissed at that, probably just refused to complete the game, but then I'm a grumpy old man.Andy - bGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15248283508785967847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-87811208357755250462013-01-28T07:35:27.427+00:002013-01-28T07:35:27.427+00:00Reading this reminds me why I avoid tournaments. I...Reading this reminds me why I avoid tournaments. If it were just the ambiguous wording fair enough, but even when there's a diagram clearly showing the arc of fire the ref still ruled against it?! And the vp system seems completely off for something that's billed as a competition. glad you enjoyed it regardless guys, but definitely not my cup of tea. Jimbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04950063737302695309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-38052162711971278172013-01-27T23:04:58.555+00:002013-01-27T23:04:58.555+00:00Yeah we had issues with the refs too.. our opponen...Yeah we had issues with the refs too.. our opponent had an illegal list and they just sort of shrugged! What's the point in handing them in if they don't check or act upon mistakes?<br /><br />The organisation was good. Didn't like the random opponents. We ended up playing two young children who had no grasp of the rules and actively cheated throughout the entire game, they'd accuse of of being wrong even after we'd shown them the rule in the book! And gave their models wargear that wasn't in their army list -_-<br /><br />I hate the favourite game vote. We won all our games yet came 43rd? We probably got about 80-90% of the VP's we could from missions, and we were pretty nice to our opponents, we joked around etc as normal yet got 0 for favourite games. Why would you award a vote to someone who beat you?<br /><br />I don't like the VP's being the overall score, it should be the difference in VP's. There's too many variables on what you play in what mission. So playing against a Deathwing army in the killpoint mission (I forget the name) is going to get you zilch compared to playing against a guard army? Not sure how that is fair really?<br /><br />I did enjoy the weekend and all (but one) of the games, but I think I'll stick to Fantasy Battle Brothers next year as the VP's are equal no matter what you face..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03727163961678288028noreply@blogger.com