tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post3932056333589435617..comments2023-04-15T10:40:46.482+01:00Comments on From The Fang: Blog Wars Army Lists and Self ModerationFrom The Fanghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-61826049227185219572015-07-07T23:08:04.297+01:002015-07-07T23:08:04.297+01:00https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2015/06/30/analyzi...https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2015/06/30/analyzing-the-skyhammer-assault-force/<br /><br />This article might help give insight on Skyhammer and whether it should be considered or not Rob Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09135487799075859919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-32602401778235944372015-07-07T23:05:21.348+01:002015-07-07T23:05:21.348+01:00Hi Alex, heres my 2 cents.
As far as flyers go, y...Hi Alex, heres my 2 cents.<br /><br />As far as flyers go, yes they can be annoying but I dont think restrictions are necessary. Its a part of 40k and there are lists that can muller such lists. <br /><br />With formations I would say skyhammer is fine. It can be a lethal alpha strike but after that itll likely get hit back hard, particularly the assault marines. Same with War Conclave (wasnt mentioned but should be considered in this category due to its own free upgrades). <br /><br />As far as detachments like decurion go it may be best to see how other codices do as theres still other 6th ed codices that might get updated before November including Nids, Tau, Chaos and Guard. If these are similar then banning such FOCs may need a rethink. Though Decution is OP and Free Drop Pods for my marines does make a big saving points wise.<br /><br />Regardless Blog Wars X will be a gooden if 9 is anything to go by :)Rob Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09135487799075859919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-79151980596653305762015-07-05T19:38:15.543+01:002015-07-05T19:38:15.543+01:00Hi Alex, had a great time at Bw9, was wondering ho...Hi Alex, had a great time at Bw9, was wondering how yourself and people felt about the ravenwing special detachment in C:DA? Also would you be of the opinion that other characters as opposed to sammael and sableclaw could be taken if no faq is forthcoming soon, as this seems to be a very big ommission definitely requiring an faq?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097361461355433629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-61761169726892339562015-07-03T19:20:11.039+01:002015-07-03T19:20:11.039+01:00Yes and that's exactly what I'm trying to ...Yes and that's exactly what I'm trying to do here. I don't want to just ban things for the sake of it or because I don't personally like them. If I did all on my own opinions we'd be single codex and one detachment but I don't want that.<br /><br />I don't think extra people are necessary. I have a pretty good grasp on things at the moment and a council doesn't really make bias that much less likely. I'd previously thought about publishing all the lists and seeing what people thought but it'll come down to "I don't think I could beat that so I'll complain". A "council" would need to be made up of people who weren't playing and good luck finding another sucker who's prepared to give up two Saturdays a year to give everyone else a good day out!From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-25064896500716539642015-07-03T19:17:04.876+01:002015-07-03T19:17:04.876+01:00It would certainly make my life easier to give a l...It would certainly make my life easier to give a list of legal sources e.g. the main codices only It's a nightmare keeping track of all the formations that were WD only or part of a campaign supplement etc.<br /><br />I agree on the FMC thing. A lot of it is luck of the draw. There were lists in there that could've dealt with the list that came second but he didn't play them.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-54860575266573427072015-07-03T19:13:09.080+01:002015-07-03T19:13:09.080+01:00I've considered this in the past but I think i...I've considered this in the past but I think it's incredibly difficult to get right. At a bigger tournament with more rounds this happens naturally of course. The problem is you can't actually tell if the list is WAAC or not. I obviously have a fair idea after doing this for so long but sometimes a combo isn't obvious from the list and what seems like a dirty list won't be because the player won't play it to the full extent.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-34042388656331660662015-07-03T19:11:21.790+01:002015-07-03T19:11:21.790+01:00Giving a bonus for using a single source will just...Giving a bonus for using a single source will just make some of the strong armies even better e.g. Eldar/Necrons/SM and the rest comparatively worse. <br /><br />As with everything at Blog Wars a lot of it comes down to the player himself. A horrible list only makes for a horrible game if your opponent is a dick (most of the time anyway).From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-23698420771170527292015-07-03T19:09:23.974+01:002015-07-03T19:09:23.974+01:00I'm actually hoping with the Age of Sigmar stu...I'm actually hoping with the Age of Sigmar stuff that we get a breather with 40K releases. Never thought I'd say that but I actually want them to slow down. <br /><br />I'm loath to limit FMCs to a specific number. There's a danger there of making the list worthless as it's strength relies on minimal ground units. It's not a particularly filthy combination but rather a strong list from that particular codex (plus extra formations). That's subjective though.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-36986901868354146342015-07-03T19:06:55.901+01:002015-07-03T19:06:55.901+01:00I do think things are more interesting than everyo...I do think things are more interesting than everyone running the same FOC. There were still armies that benefited from that chart (basically those with good troops). There's always going to be something broken no matter what I do. Any "broken" is very subjective. If the general strength of armies is low then even a decent list can seem overpowered.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-22716241382201705382015-07-03T19:05:24.823+01:002015-07-03T19:05:24.823+01:00I'm glad people get what I'm trying to do ...I'm glad people get what I'm trying to do with the prize system. I really don't understand why people want to run something completely filthy and have miserable games for the sake of a net profit of £7.50 (ignoring travel costs etc). There's a balancing point though, you don't want to have miserable games because you're list is too weak either.<br /><br />It ends up being an arms race. You know there'll be something strong so you make your list stronger and everyone else then adjusts to beat that list etc.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-28171194220208707362015-07-03T19:02:12.367+01:002015-07-03T19:02:12.367+01:00I originally had banned formations for I think BW7...I originally had banned formations for I think BW7 (maybe BW8), when there were very few around but some of the arimes at the time relied on the formations to make themselves competitive. I think we're too far down the rabbit warren now to take them away completely. Like with the new detachments I think the codices are written with formations in mind (as much as GW ever thinks about these things).<br /><br />I'd love to go back to 6th or 5th but they weren't perfect either and there were still horrible combos! As I've said above, we're in 7th edition whether we like it or not. I'd rather try to embrace it as much as possible than take things backwards.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-40063824845695904492015-07-03T18:59:50.374+01:002015-07-03T18:59:50.374+01:00I do think 4 FMC is worse than 4 flyers but I agre...I do think 4 FMC is worse than 4 flyers but I agree that they're just another thing you need to think about countering. There aren't any all comers lists that can perform well at everything and hopefully the missions make some of the tougher lists less useful.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-57050871567683693142015-07-03T18:58:52.803+01:002015-07-03T18:58:52.803+01:00Skitarii would be an issue yes but also some of th...Skitarii would be an issue yes but also some of the faction specific detachments have useful things like extra HQ slots for Orks since painboys moved there. The unit type assignments are based on using the Ork Horde Detachment primarily and so forcing a CAD would limit them quite a bit. It's the same for other armies.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-37219156967359008092015-07-03T18:57:38.545+01:002015-07-03T18:57:38.545+01:00In some ways I'm tempted to go back to 6th edi...In some ways I'm tempted to go back to 6th edition with just a CAD and allies but frankly the game has moved on from then. I don't want to simply be playing a variant of 5th/6th edition. I may not like a lot of the things in 7th but I want to embrace it as much as possible.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-56192669026198603972015-07-03T18:56:32.017+01:002015-07-03T18:56:32.017+01:00Thanks for pointing that out. I did consider tryin...Thanks for pointing that out. I did consider trying to add all the bits up but never got around to it. From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-31441629273597223222015-07-03T18:55:58.746+01:002015-07-03T18:55:58.746+01:00You could still take a fluffy marine company but y...You could still take a fluffy marine company but you'd just have to actually pay for the transports. That's a part of the Gladius that I find a bit ridiculous as people will simply take transports for everything and use them to spam the field with vehicles. It also creates a bit of a nightmare for Blood Points too.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-34929115223811457202015-07-03T18:54:21.327+01:002015-07-03T18:54:21.327+01:00Interesting insight on GW's policy but frankly...Interesting insight on GW's policy but frankly I've fallen out with them for putting Unbound into Battle Brothers. They're obviously going to insist people produce an original copy of the rules as it encourages people to shell out for them. If I were to allow it I'd be happy to allow a printout!<br /><br />Inevitably you could boil all of 40K down to "buy to win" though. I originally owned Tau but when the new codex came out I bought a riptide because the rules looked good. When I saw how good they were I bought another!From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-78608867378565003912015-07-03T18:50:24.548+01:002015-07-03T18:50:24.548+01:00Thanks for the feedback Rob. I'm not a fan of ...Thanks for the feedback Rob. I'm not a fan of them but I was never a fan of formations in the first place. Sadly they've become a significant part of the game and I'm keen for BW to reflect the current state of play as much as possible.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-82675772489963247762015-07-03T18:47:24.011+01:002015-07-03T18:47:24.011+01:00It's refreshing to hear someone saying they...It's refreshing to hear someone saying they're happy either way I rule on the formation, especially coming from someone who is considering using it. I agree that it's still just marines so they aren't too hard to deal with but it's the impact they can have on arrival. I don't think they're as "glass hammer" as other things.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-16535922659987603902015-07-03T11:09:03.612+01:002015-07-03T11:09:03.612+01:00Hi
Isn't it better to minimize the restrictio...Hi<br /><br />Isn't it better to minimize the restrictions and trust the players ?<br />This then in combination with some extra guys to help you prepare and run the event ? This way you have a sort of counsil to approve te lists and if you motivate the decision i'm convinced that everybody will agree with this.<br /><br />Just my few euro's on this ;) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16053175828106123696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-54484799847334687542015-07-03T07:57:47.509+01:002015-07-03T07:57:47.509+01:00Exclusive Dataslates - I'm not a fan of them f...Exclusive Dataslates - I'm not a fan of them for a number of reasons and don't really think they should have a place in BW.<br /><br />FMCs/Flyers - I see them as part of 40k now and there is no difference between a Nid list full of FMCs and an IG list full of big tanks - its unlikely a balanced list will be able to take on either that well (other than playing the mission).<br /><br />Decurions - unless everyone has them, again, I'm not sure if BW is the place to run them.<br />the 6th degreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10114651433321299632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-90555318057522260322015-07-02T22:40:58.100+01:002015-07-02T22:40:58.100+01:00Thanks for all of the comments so far folks. Pleas...Thanks for all of the comments so far folks. Please keep them coming. I'll try to respond to them all individually tomorrow but I'm really pleased with how involved everyone is with the decisions I make for Blog Wars.From The Fanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01043549318855295914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-19919919248808432822015-07-02T20:04:15.268+01:002015-07-02T20:04:15.268+01:00Have you thought about skimming the lists and putt...Have you thought about skimming the lists and putting people into two categories? I think it takes about 30 seconds a list to see if it's a WAAC job or not. If the WAACs get to play the WAACs, then everybody else can have fun. I know it's extra work, but I remember frontline doing this for their casual bracket last year. They were of course just telling people it was too serious.<br />Otherwise, I totally support no decurion style lists, because if nothing else it puts the armies without them at a giant disadvantage. ScumLordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04304541046350395589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-39881272431007445082015-07-02T18:42:23.188+01:002015-07-02T18:42:23.188+01:00I think that its an interesting one. Often alex ha...I think that its an interesting one. Often alex has allowed us a chance to try things, piloting things responsively to whatever GW thinks is a good idea. In the past that’s been forge world, maelstrom missions, many detachments or other things. Some have stuck, others haven’t. Could we pilot these areas without abusing them? Can we self-regulate this by not taking “power” lists?<br /><br />Another option could be to limit your second detachment to say, 600 points ( I don’t know enough about individual books eg knights to know if that’s an appropriate point limit). OR, do something left field and reward players who only use one source/detachment for their whole army. Give them bonus, be that army wide or unit specific. Examples might be, re-roll to seize, one unit gaining objective secured, +1 to one reserve roll. This promotes players who don’t use a second source, giving them a leg up and also promoting what I believe are “blog wars values”.<br /><br />I don’t think FMC/fliers are a big worry, the player of that nid list who came second is a good player and a good guy- he generally does well from memory. A good player has the potential to get more from an average list. That’s always been the case – so a good player with a good list will do well. Not to overly barge in on something that didn’t affect me – I tried to build my list to take on knights as best I could. But it was probably weak against multiple fliers. But fliers have been around since 6th, they are a valid play and aren’t new, so I would have struggled against that too, because I hadn’t built my list for that – I preparing for the “meta” as I perceived it.<br /><br />So yeah, my two cents <br />Luke Darksun https://www.blogger.com/profile/14416275320673777382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2320541665600624608.post-18212918290851258682015-07-02T17:23:19.424+01:002015-07-02T17:23:19.424+01:00well although there will be more books and rules o...well although there will be more books and rules out before BWX that will probably cause problems, as it stands I`m not fused either way as personally dont think the eldar or marine one is that bad although the necrons are pain in the butt these have prenty of other ways to make you cry for example a ghost ark and chariot army .<br /><br />As for the pay for formation , well it easy enougth to get rules for the money shouldnt come into it and personally the assault marine part isnt that bad but the devi part is good if not expensive but in end they are just marines so easy to kill back , again Im happy either way they do hit hard and can see how this would take the fun out of a game "specially with ultramarine devi doctrine" for allot of armies so prob best to ban, (barring in mind i wanted to use it ).<br /><br />FMC , well i was one of the guys who played against them and so was my mate "we did not enjoy the game" and another friend just entered 6 fmc on his list BWX list , personally feel that most armies cant feind enouth anti air to stop that many with out tailouring there army to it, they are allot harder to kill then flying vehicles and any sane monster would kill the anti air first so likely only get one turn from them. so i would love a limit of 3/4 mfc .Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15542330122420968046noreply@blogger.com